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I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I can understand if people just want to get their monuments and such and trying UB for the first time yeah its fun but having to play it all the time just to play with other people isnt fun.
And i did tried my luck with SMS before unfortuantly i came 2 days to late. They had just stopped recruiting(this was a couple of months ago). Also i am euro and most of SMS are americans/canadians

LF HM Euro Guild No UB ^^

Vinraith · Nov 29, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

My thought is mind your own business and let ppl play how they want to play. Don't like ursanway, don't use it. A pve only skill needs a nerf? Do you understand why skills get nerfed/buffed? No, of course you don't have any clue at all or you wouldn't have suggested that. Here's your answer: pvp balance. Are you seeing the pointlessness of your suggestion yet?

There should never be a single "best way" to do things in an RPG, it kills game variety, depth, strategy, and challenge and just leaves a generally crappy PvE experience. I'm all for removing what has functionally become a cheat code from the game. If nothing else, it's made farming high end areas far too easy and as such negatively impacts the player driven economy.

bel unbreakable · Nov 29, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

just a little thing thats been confusing me
where did all those balanced groups go are they buy any chance useing ursan .
after calling for it to be nerfed i think that would be funny if it wasint so sad.
or is it more like they are still there farming away and trying to get ursan nerfed to protect their income .

BladeDVD · Nov 29, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

My thought is mind your own business and let ppl play how they want to play. Don't like ursanway, don't use it. A pve only skill needs a nerf? Do you understand why skills get nerfed/buffed? No, of course you don't have any clue at all or you wouldn't have suggested that. Here's your answer: pvp balance. Are you seeing the pointlessness of your suggestion yet?

Have you forgotten the multiple nerfs to the Sunspear PVE skills when they first came out?

It is possible to make PVE too easy to play. Some degree of challenge is an inherent design goal for most games. So if any skill or skill combo (whether PVE only or not) makes the game too easy to complete, it is likely that it will get a nerf from Anet. You are correct that this mostly happens because of PVP reasons, but it does happen to "balance" PVE on rare occasion too.

I wonder if they will nerf this skill though. It is getting people to party up more, and has opened up the Elite areas to people who haven't been able to get into the usual party builds for those areas.

I don't think I've even used this skill except for the primary quest story line.

AuraofMana · Nov 29, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

They should just make overpowered PvE items and be done with it. It's bound to happen anyway.
My +10000 HP and damage sword > all.

[DE] · Nov 29, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

On the topic of SMS, i agree they are very skilled players. But them trashing UB the way they do, and then use one of the most imba builds in PvE history is just hilarious to say the least. For the record TNTF+SY Paragon = UB.

However, in SMS there are a lot of people who believe that SY needs to be hit as well. It just so happens that UB is abused so much more than SY and so you see us protesting against it. If there were as many threads and controversies on guru about SY you would sure as heck see us arguing about how SY needs to be nerfed as well.

trobinson97 · Nov 29, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

There should never be a single "best way" to do things in an RPG, it kills game variety, depth, strategy, and challenge and just leaves a generally crappy PvE experience. I'm all for removing what has functionally become a cheat code from the game. If nothing else, it's made farming high end areas far too easy and as such negatively impacts the player driven economy.

Ursan made farming high end areas far too easy? Hahaha, are you serious Vinraith?

Also, give me one unselfish reason why prices being lower in the video game's economy negatively affects it.

sassoonssamson · Nov 29, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

anet had themselves in a big fix

there were a lot of pve players who sufereed coz every damn skill had to be nerfed to cater the PVP

So for pvp sake pve skills were always nerfed

Secondly, GW is a skill based game
That lead to instability as many of a new professions never got to to get in any grps
If you happened to be an Assasin then nobody wants u in the deep , neither urgoz neither UW neither FOW

So anet brought a specific pve only skills not related to profession
This had lead to a return of many a pvers in the game including me ..
Our ursanway team had 2 assassins at the helm and we cleared the whole of
UW after the 4th try something which would have been possible before UB came along

So stop crying its too powerful .It allowing people of all professions to group together and have fun

HawkofStorms · Nov 29, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

I HATE Ursan way. Why? Because it DOES cause discrimination. Sure... mesmers and sins and what not can now do elite areas. But only if they have GW:EN. Instead of causing discrimination between players due to there character (which isn't such a big deal, if you want to do UW, you can still do it by just switching to a secondary character, people forget that those guys who have mesmers and sins, etc and are discriminated against, probablly also have an ele, a necro, a monk, or a warrior that they can use instead) you cause discrimination based on what games they own (which is MUCH worse, because now people who don't have GW:EN are not able to group with 90% of the PUGs out there).

anonymous · Nov 29, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

I think its an awsome skill for some 1 who has problems with their build

point 1- spell correctly
point 2- If you have problems with your build you aren't supposed to be able to complete an area, thats part of being good at the game. If you aren't any good why should you be able to do elite areas that are supposed to be hard?

DéesseBrighid · Nov 29, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

So a few more titles are nerfed like almost every other title in the game... Who cares? I suppose you're gonna do the same thing in another forum concerning the faction=hero and fame. If you don't like Ursan, don't use it, simple as that. Just because you don't like it, that's no reason for it to be nerfed. So there's an easier way to do things, either do it or don't. If you wanna do things the hard way, good for you, go do it. But don't flame everyone else for coming up with an easier way that they like. You sit here and say "don't flame me, it's my opinion" well Ursanway is other people's opinion and here you are being hypocritical and flaming them...? Who do you think you are? And why does it matter if you can or can't do it with PUG's? Do it with your guild/alliance then, or with friends. There's no rule saying you HAVE to use Ursan and no rule saying you HAVE to do it with PUG's.

trobinson97 · Nov 29, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

I HATE Ursan way. Why? Because it DOES cause discrimination. Sure... mesmers and sins and what not can now do elite areas. But only if they have GW:EN. Instead of causing discrimination between players due to there character (which isn't such a big deal, if you want to do UW, you can still do it by just switching to a secondary character, people forget that those guys who have mesmers and sins, etc and are discriminated against, probablly also have an ele, a necro, a monk, or a warrior that they can use instead) you cause discrimination based on what games they own (which is MUCH worse, because now people who don't have GW:EN are not able to group with 90% of the PUGs out there).

Oh yeah?

"GLF 2 SF Eles"

Ele: Doh! I don't have Nightfall.

"GLF BHA Ranger"

Ranger: Dammit, I don't have Factions.

"GLF SS Necro"

Necro: Jeez, I don't have Prophecies, ugh!

See what's going on here?

DéesseBrighid · Nov 29, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Oh yeah?

"GLF 2 SF Eles"

Ele: Doh! I don't have Nightfall.

"GLF BHA Ranger"

Ranger: Dammit, I don't have Factions.

"GLF SS Necro"

Necro: Jeez, I don't have Prophecies, ugh!

See what's going on here?

Exactly. The game was discriminatory as far as which game you had before Ursan, so what makes this time any different? Just in case you didn't catch that yourself... No matter what, the game is going to be "discriminatory". You can do one of two things: Handle it like a bad build, change until it works, or sit and do nothing and mope in a corner about how you can't play because you can't adapt.

Cobalt · Nov 29, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Randvek

I must be hanging out in the wrong areas. I only rarely see one or two people looking for a UB group, and even much more rarely find a full team actually together.

I guess your mileage may vary.

Same!

I don't see much of it either and on the off chance you do get in a Ursan group it would be a nice change of pace not some game altering catastrophic event as some here believe.

lennymon · Nov 29, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

If you actually thought anyone besides you gave a rats arse about your titles or how you got them then you need a mental health professional...
If you want your title character to be a Sin, and want to clear the elite areas... gl without it.
If hating UB because you feel like an idiot for doing it 'the hard way' when you could've had an easier time makes you feel better, have fun with that. The title *you* get will only be meaningful to you, and only then inasmuch as the effort you put into it. You have a title which you put a lot of effort into it, and yet you feel UB cheapen's *your* achievement? Seriously, grow up.

aapo · Nov 29, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

UB is a good skil IMO, but the community is totally abusing it. A slight nerf would not harm this skill. Or maybe even a restriction like say only 2 people with UB are allowed in one party.

- "You can't have more than 2 Paragons in team".

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Picture this: Your a monk and ask your Alliance if anyone needs lets say Great Northern Wall on HM. 3 monks say hey i need that. So you could all go smite but we all know smite aint the greatest attribute line. So then 1 goes UB the other one Air of Enchant AoE smite and the third goes signet smite with you going as standard heal/prot monk. Here UB is used in a balanced build with the UB holding Aggro and the others doing there job.

- That's what makes it so nice skill, every profession is equal.

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

But all these groups asking for 6 UB in the PuG section is just lame. It does take no skill to mash 111111121111111211111112. So i really hope anet would restrict the amount of UB in a party to bring back the balanced aspect of the game.

- What? I was under the impression that PvE required skill and careful planning while nimbly dodging the projectiles of monsters and active protting!

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

And speaking of balance TNTF+SY needs a bloody nerf too its way overpowered and anyone who has played in a party with this build knows its no better than a party full of UBs. And people who bring up the excuse of "its only one lame build in a party of 8" well the bloody paragon gives Party Wide buffs.

- Overpowered? In PvE? ... are we even playing the same game?

Koda Kumi · Nov 29, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Oh, how I love the maturity level of this forum. Has there ever been a thread without playground flames here?

On topic: Discrimination is not the issue. The fact you need to grind a title to get into the majority of groups for high-end PvE can easily be called absurd.
During the prophecies area, your succes in both PvE and PvP was determined by skill. No heroes who did everything for you, no overpowered PvE-only skills, no grinding, just skill that was important.

But times have changed.
And they will change even more.

AuraofMana · Nov 29, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

The guy is obviously right. Paragon is SOOOO imbalanced right now. Just nerf all their chants into have cast time + nerf Leadership, it simply GIVES WAY TOO MUCH ENERGY, EVEN MORE THAN SR.

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

However, in SMS there are a lot of people who believe that SY needs to be hit as well. It just so happens that UB is abused so much more than SY and so you see us protesting against it. If there were as many threads and controversies on guru about SY you would sure as heck see us arguing about how SY needs to be nerfed as well.

Yeah i agree UB does get abused far more than SY, mostly because people still dont see the strength of a paragon -_-
So your saying SMS is all for a nerf on SY and yet you guys seem to continously use it wherever you can. All those pics of how fast you cleared DoA, FoW,UW and whatnot all had the skill TNTF and SY. So you are against a skill but still contiously abuse it?

@aapo please flame somewhere else.

trobinson97 · Nov 29, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Koda Kumi

Oh, how I love the maturity level of this forum. Has there ever been a thread without playground flames here?

On topic: Discrimination is not the issue. The fact you need to grind a title to get into the majority of groups for high-end PvE can easily be called absurd.

I agree, it's kind of like having to grind rank (a title) to get into the majority of groups for HA (PVP).